In this conversation, Bethel University professor Chris Gehrz examines the unsettling nature of life under the concept of the dual state, particularly in the context of the Trump administration, and the implications for Christians in the United States and American democracy.
Suggested Reading and Listening:
One Nation Under a Dual State (https://chrisgehrz.substack.com/p/one-nation-under-a-dual-state) by Chris Gehrz
The Dual State: A Contribution to the Theory of Dictatorship (https://www.amazon.com/Dual-State-Contribution-Theory-Dictatorship/dp/1616190698) by Ernst Fraenkel
America Is Watching the Rise of a Dual State (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/05/trump-executive-order-lawlessness-constitutional-crisis/682112/) by Aziz Huq
The Frightening Precedents for Trump’s ‘Legal Abyss’ (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/03/world/trump-dual-state.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ck8.K5bG.v_DAQSRgbJ2W&smid=url-share) by Amanda Taub
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